They bother me.
What bothers me more is the response of the Ozzie police chief, I believe the Victorian police chief, who came on television (Times Now) with a twist and a spin to it all. Justice will probably be not done with that attitude.
Remember the Ozzie PM attempting to prejudice justice in an earlier case? There wasn't any apology fromn that gentleman to the accussed even after the case was decided against the Ozzie government. This Victorian police honcho's statement sounds like more of the same one heard back then.
Worse, it lookes like the Ozzie universities will take the money from these students (they come here to India, advertise themselves, and tout themselves for students competing among themselves) but will not even raise a voice of concern for their safety in their own society or comdemn the attacks on their students.
Look at those CCTV footages! (courtesy Times Now and CNN IBN) Terrible monsters those Ozzie teens...and robbers too...and all still teenagers! Criminal teenagers of Australia appear to be rising in numbers. The criminal milieu of Australia appears to be growing...almost a sport now.
I shudder to think what would happen if some deeply agitated Indians decided to copy the Ozzies and do unto them the same like they did copy the Ozzies in cricket.
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You've got a nerve whining about this. Indian police are a horrible, horrible!! Foreigners in India don't stand a chance if they are attacked, robbed, abused. You indians could't give a stuff what happens to anyone, but take the first chance to squeal about other nationalities.
When a backpacker went missing last year in your country, the Australian consulate told the grieving father that when something like this happens in India, it's pointless even trying to get the Indian authoirites to take any notice, let alone help.
Yet now you take the slightest chance to sneer (as usual) to jump up and down and act all self-righteous. And this from India, of all the uncaring countries in the world!
You are the most opportunistic race on the planet.
I thought I read at least one of the more reputable universities putting effort into helping students with these issues. Having said that, there really are some terrible stories from some of the institutions in the "international education market", where the unis themselves are at fault, never mind any thugs on the street.
A Mr Singh from an Indian Association or something like that had the most sensible comments I have seen so far.
Here it is: http://www.smh.com.au/national/indian-student-bashings-on-the-rise-in-sydney-community-leader-20090529-bpxy.html
Dr Singh makes it quite clear that "racist/opportunisitic" is a false dichotomy.
Caro,
I think there is a difference between ordinary crimes and crimes that are aimed at a particular community. Believe me Indian police doesn't discriminate against just Australians, even we Indians get the same treatment as you guys do. I am not trying to defend our police setup but the truth is there is no discrimination.
However, from your comments it is clear that even you seem to have a special hatred for us "the opportunistic race" As much as we Indians like to defeat Aussie cricketers, we don't waste any emotion hating aussies otherwise.
The reason we feel cheated is because your universities come to India and market Australia as a safe destination. We pay much more than any Australian does for education in your land and rightly so. But as with any business, don't you think we have a right to get the product we were sold (i mean a safe education destination).
If Aussies feel that strongly about Indians, why don't you stop inviting us. You have a right to do that. Don't take our money and insult us.
You are wrong Caro.
Despite all our limitations and failings we end up finding justice. We are not a country dealing with a handful of people and with plenty to spare.
As for nerve...test me...test my people.
One more thing, I don't need your permission to find my nerve to question your attacks on us. So don't be surprised if I do question you uncomfortably.
Some truths are difficult to swallow.
Do come here, Caro, also to post on cricketing articles...to the "horrible peoples" blog.
Caro, it is precisely your kind of reasoning which worries me - you are in effect suggesting that what happened is retribution of sorts.
That Indians "whine" when tyranny is meted out to them when they should shut up and allow some similar thinking people to kill them.
The concept of justice for you extends to a tit-for-tat...as evident in your post.
You have no queasiness in suggesting that somehow Indians deserved what they got because someone did something bad to a visitor in India.
We wept with the parents of the British girl who came looking for help and did all we could to locate and pluck out the criminal hiding in Nepal (another country) without the society once suggesting the poor child deserved it for going along with the criminal. Our media has given complete support and coverage to the couple. Ask them...better for you.
In another tourist related case, the fellows are not spared despite high connections. The media, the adminstartion have not trashed it...the media and agencies support has been sincere. You will not find anything other than sympathy, empathy and assistance...check out Times Now and CNN IBN back issues...nobody adoptd the same tone as Ozzie hinchos have taken now or in the past..or as you take now.
Rather than condemn, you come firing out with "whiners".
Take a really good look at yourself Caro...should be useful.
While one is shuddering at the thought of a reprisal by people frustrated by such events, here is you suggesting self-righteousness and strange stuff like that!
Your post however remains illustrative for all readers here..I shall let it stay for any debate and discussion on this topic.
Thanks Jonathan, for the link.
The current Australian Prime Minister has been appropriately circumspect and understanding of the matter thus far.
Caro,
heard about ajmal kasab and the recent attacks on Mumbai?
The fucking terrorist was caught while in the act, and still the indian judiciary has made sure, that ajmal kasab gets a proper defence lawyer, now that is justice!
don't point a finger at my race, you dont fucking do it!
talk on an individual level, don't fucking point a finger at my race!
Sorry SB, for the profanities, but that touched a raw nerve!
I understand the emotion Ankit and this is, as the tags say, back-room stuff/non-cricketing stuff. Discussion is open and free under such tags here.
I must confess Caro did a good job of drawing up a character sketch with the first line itself -
You've got a nerve whining about this...Read that line well folks, and understand what it stems from.
SB, I think you'll find that the uncouth nature of these attackers definitely doesn't extend to all facets of society. As Jonathan said, efforts are being made by universities to support these students in some ways if possible. The government is also likely to take a strong stance on this matter, especially following the Indian High Commissioner's comments. Today the major television news outlets were reporting on it too, not just print media, and you'll probably find that in the coming days, public support for these victims will grow more profound.
Having said that, it's an absolutely desipicable situation these students are being put in. I don't know whether we should blame universities for putting themselves on the market in India, because in the end it is the choice of the student, but yes they do deserve the same rights as others. At the moment, it's a little difficult to control the attacks because it's the sort of violence that we actually see quite a bit of (just not directed particularly at Indian students) but an appropriate response needs to be taken.
I actually met one of the victims of an attack in Sydney for a report/article I was writing for work, and they do genuinely feel frightened and fearful for their lives. I think you'll see the public response to this grow stronger soon, and perhaps the police will be able to find a constructive way of dealing with the issue, i.e. preventing attacks before they occur. But it is definitely difficult to control when the attacks can happen almost anywhere, from their home to a street to a train, and when it's hard to apprehend attackers.
Thank you Amy for a thoughtful post. Jonathan usually presents a balanced view and often "updates" me :)
There is an interesting debate going on right now on Times Now. I find it informative.
I agree fascination with universities abroad is high in India, but IMO, you go where the quest for knowledge takes you...and in India there is a gross mismatch between availability and number of students vying for opportunies to study further.
There is more to all this than just stray incidents...if you take into account the two distinct Air France incidents recently, there is a growing envy of the Indian these days...somewhere that also plays a part when some sections of locals, as you said, find themselves unable to compete with outsiders.
I haven't said Australia at large is this way...perhaps the majority Australians are wise people. We need to hear them step in...perhaps rein in the elements who bring in a bad name to Australia.
The number of REPORTED attacks are said to be between 600-700 past year alone...we are not speaking of those which haven't been recorded out of fear or because they were not permitted to...it is then nothing but racism and apparently the wiser public can do nothing about it. Elements are not rejected by society, some in power actively encourage...that is worrisome.
SB, I was surprised at an Indian media report 'complaining' that the PM wasn't actually doing anything - perhaps this is just a lack of understanding of our federal system.
We would like to think that the universities advertisied a safe place because they actually believed it. In reality, they will act simply to protect their brand, whether they have any compassion or not. The changes in university funding have pushed them to rely on international students. For country unis, this means opening city campuses, and these in particular have history of misleading advertising overseas.
As for the attacks themselves, I don't want to deny the racist side of things - there is no point to that argument. However, there are definitely other factors involved as well. That is clear from the fact that it is an international student problem, not a general Indian one. The students are a fairly small proportion of the Indian community in Australia, and yet the reports of attacks seem to be concentrated on students. Clearly some of this is beyond the control of the unis, but I think they have a long way to go.
(BTW, I think emotion has denied caro a fair hearing - his concern was clearly your criticism of the Vic Deputy Commissioner, not your sympathy with the victims. He is quite wrong though - you don't need to have everything right in your own country to complain about something overseas! In any case, there was a time in this little part of Sydney when the thing that most concerned me in terms of racism was the culture of the local police - it's not always good.)
Thanks Jonathan for explaining some things which get left out by media.
The news channels were responding to the feedback they could extract following the talks with the Australian Ambassador stationed here, PM's confabulations with the Australian Premier, and also the feedback obtained from the Federation of Indian Students in Australia as well as the Indian Ambassador there.
I do not profess to understand the federal structure of Australia...maybe the high people who are in useful discussions do...but my post came after I saw and heard the Victorian Police Chief's casual attitude.
Racism isn't always black and white - there are tones in between - and the tenor of some statements appear to amplify the more strident of such noises.
Actually there is another case going on right now...the blatant Air France discrimination case (on two separate instances in quick succession) against Indians for which Air France has come out with an apology - publicly and individually...but together with happenings across the globe, Indians would be concerned.
Let me tell you something Jonathan...my son is approaching that stage of his life when he would be identifying universities. Though his choice of subject is such that it is better to do it in India, as a parent I need to be ready with plan B and C. I have been attending seminars of universities from England and Australia to get an idea of what they are offering and what their requirements are. Just in case the better universities in India fall out of my child's reach...now I have dropped the plans and preparation I was undertaking (It's a right and proper project to send one's child abroad for education!) If at all, I reasoned, I had to send my child abroad for further studies, the best option would be USA rather than England or Australia.
Not only is USA now likely to become more racially tolerant, but also the fact that some friends and relatives are already there helps. Instead of sending the child off where he has no assistance at times of urgent need like this, it is better to be located where there is already a settled community.
But that's only my reasoning, for the seminars combined with such news and follow-up measures by the society there have failed to convince me about the safety in Australia.
There are many others here who feel that way now, purely because the local mechanism has failed to rise up to the challenge some miscreants have thrown in their face. Then casual responses from people in authority make you wonder.
"the Australian consulate told the grieving father that when something like this happens in India, it's pointless even trying to get the Indian authoirites to take any notice"
The Aussie Consulate seems to be a lazy guy who did not want to get out of his bed and get involved. Graham Staines' killers are in jail arent they? Indian media reacted to Miss.Keeling's murder as if the british PM was the victim. And Ajmal is being treated better than Mohd. Haneef was down under.
and if someone can whine about a single backpacker, I think others can be pardoned for 'squealing' about continous attacks against a 'race' which almost seems deliberate and planned.
SB, I mentioned the PM simply because you seemed more positive about his response than reports I saw on line. I'm not sure there's much he could do (which is perfect for him, but that's another matter...)
I have to admit I haven't seen the interview you refer to. None of the reports I have seen have suggested that Vic Police are not taking the matter seriously - the issue seem to be whether they identify race as an issue. I'm not sure it would help them to do so, regardless of the correctness of such an identification.
As for studying abroad, I had a great time as an international student on the whole, but I am glad that I did my first degree at home. For several reasons, I was one of the least vulnerable international students, but I have seen and heard many stories of exploitation. The support offered by my institution itself to international students increased in leaps and bounds during the time I was there, and hopefully this will catch on around the world, but in any case it is quite important to find a supporting community, whether it is family or new contacts.
I am actually quiet surprised that all this is happening in Melbourne. I lived in Melbourne as a professional almost a decade back for few months and the city is easily the safest I have experienced having traveled to various parts. I used to travel late nights in local trains and all without any issues. Maybe something has changed in past few years and the hatred has increased due to lot more Indians studying in this part of world.
I have been following the news since last Mar/April when a taxi driver was bashed up in Melbourne and there was a bit of protest then as well. The statement of police has not changed though. It was same old talk a year back and now, and this has been most disappointing part from Australian authorities. Police has key role to play in such cases and if they are in denial mode then surely something is bluntly wrong with Australian system in tackling racism.
You mean you pussy desi students haven't formed some secret martial arts training community organisation to become battle hardened and alert to these types of activities?
For shame, you watch too many movies. Quit whining and take some martial arts training in china or Israel the summer before you hit Australia. Form alert groups and practice your fighting techniques quietly like students whether Israeli, Kempo, Ju Jitsu, Judo, whatever and stop being pussies. Remember the great malcolm X said "We don't love those who don't love us."
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